"That's the time I was finishing my college undergraduate career. Then I decided I wanted to keep learning about genetics and plant breeding. I went to grad school. And yeah, that was reflected for me personally. We talked about Monsanto. The science was emerging Maybe we could use this [genetic engineering] to make crops more valuable. Well, what Monsanto would do is hire scientists that were going to develop this new technology. But it was more difficult and took more time to develop actual products from it than they thought. And so, they would fire or they would get rid of entire groups of scientists because the discovery was more expensive than they had imagined. And they didn't have the products that were generating income that could support that expensive discovery. So, the biotechnology industry was going through some starts and stops. And I think a lot of it reflected the profitability in the farming sector. You know, if farmers couldn't afford certain technologies, then they couldn't afford to have the research that was necessary to bring products along. So, as I looked at that I decided I wasn't going to be a If I had a choice I was going to get a job at a university, at a public university. I liked to teach. And I just felt like that was a more reliable career path than working for industry."