"The Vietnam War always haunted me because it was so fresh, you know. TV the same day. Live news. And I can remember sitting at breakfast one morning, and had the TV on. And our son said, 'I'm never going to go in the Army?
"I said, 'What do you mean?'
"He said, 'Well, look at that on TV.' He was about six years old. It was jut the impact that made on the families. It was just, just broke your heart.
"I came very close to going to Vietnam. In fact, my reserve unit I was discharged, I think, in early May or something. And within three weeks my unit was called up to go to Vietnam. I can remember sitting downtown at the Legion Club having lunch one day, and they said, 'Are you going?'
"And I said, 'Going where?'
"And they said, 'Well, your unit just got called up for Vietnam.' So I was really, really fortunate."
Question: What did you feel about that?
"Mixed. I thought I probably should go. Most of the people in the reserve unit, I'd probably sworn in. And we went to summer camps together, and you become more than just a unit. You become friends. And so, I felt that, 'Yeah, I probably should have gone at that time.' But I guess it was just, that was the way it was meant to be."