"I walked into the bank and told Mr. Sack at the York State Bank I'd like to get into the seed business. He threw a notebook on the desk and said, 'How much money do you need to start?'
   "So I told him, 'About $20,000,' which was a lot of money back in those days. And, he took and loaned me that money. So I started…
   "So, that's how I got started in the seed business. And hard work. Lots of times I was still milling seed at midnight, be back at five o'clock in the morning. And as I got improved, I started hiring people. Eventually had ten permanent people on the payroll."