"Well, you might remember that I came from a family who were educated Oberlin at that time you see was the first college in the United States to admit women and blacks. Now it wasn't the first women's college of course, but they did admit women and blacks. And my father would read Dickens to us outside in the afternoons, that was our entertainment. So I grew up in a family who were reading books. I have a complete set of Dickens in my house right now and a complete In fact I was quoting to this girl that got me yesterday, a rag and a bone and a hank of hair. And she said, what's that from? And I said Kipling. But see, I grew up in a world of reading and in a And see it was such a break for me because I did grow up in a family where college education was important."