"There was no relief in those days either. I mean, there was no social security or nothing. I mean, you had to make it on your own.
"I was a county commissioner for 16 years in York. When I first got on, we were also responsible for the people who were on relief. I mean we had to take care of those people too. But later on, the state took it over, and then all we had to do was take care of them for the first six weeks. It would take six weeks to get on [state and federal] relief, and that made that part a lot easier."